Creating the Oracular Container: A Dialogue with Matthew Stelzner


In session five, Delia and Jessica welcome our first guest to Deeper than Day—Matthew Stelzner, host of Correlations, the Archetypal Astrology Podcast, where both of us have been regular guests since 2011. Matthew describes his evolving journey as an astrologer over the past 22 years, and how the creation of oracular space in an astrological reading allows the living symbols of the planetary archetypes to express themselves, and the magic to happen. The three of us explore the similarities and differences between opening to an archetypal download and participating in an ongoing therapeutic relationship.

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Saturn-Mars: Working with Anger

In session four, Delia and Jessica go on a Saturn-Mars archetypal odyssey exploring different ways that Mars can express as the emotion of anger, and how we can bring a Saturnian discipline and focus to that expression in our relationships, family systems and work in the world. They discuss woking with anger in an affect-avoidant culture, where aggression often comes through as toxic hyper-masculinity, and how to recover the libidinal life-force beneath that. Now is a powerful time to reflect on the Saturn-Mars opposition in the sky as it is currently alive and well on the world stage for all of us.

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Personal Experience and World Transits: Participating in the Evolutionary Unfoldment of the Anima Mundi

In session three, Jessica and Delia explore how world transits are ongoing evolutionary expressions of the Anima Mundi, or world soul, and how our personal attention to this layer of archetypal expression contextualizes our psychological understanding of birth charts and personal transits. Our individual participation in the collective energies through our birth charts (the world transits at the moment of our incarnation) and our personal transits (the world transits’ ongoing, unfolding relationship to our birth chart) creates our unique, personal relationship with the transpersonal outer planets. How we take responsibility for bringing transpersonal archetypal energies down to earth in human form becomes our offering to the Divine.

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Saturn-Neptune Complex and Emotional Boundaries

On this Full Moon we would like to introduce you to our podcast, Deeper Than Day, a conversation born out of our love for depth psychology and archetypal astrology. Hosted by Delia Shargel and Jessica Garfield-Kabbara. To follow our podcast, subscribe to this blog.

Astrology is the language of the stars, as psychology is the language of the psyche. Logos, the Word, gives breath to all things, making meaningful the utterance of the cosmos in the patterns of the heavenly bodies, as the utterance of the psyche comes in symptom, feeling, image, and is made meaningful by our attempt to translate our deepest human experience into language.  We invite you to join us in our ongoing dialogue as we explore the phenomenological correlations between cosmos and psyche.

In today’s session we explore the Saturn-Neptune complex and its relationship to emotional and energetic boundaries in healing work.

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Deeper Than Day Basement Tape 1

Deeper Than Day Basement Tape 1, with hosts Delia Shargel and Jessica Garfield-Kabbara. We introduce the podcast, our relationship to astrology and psychology, and our vision for future episodes.

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